Full transcript of “Face the Nation” on January 16, 2022

On this “Face the Nation” broadcast moderated by Margaret Brennan:

  • Senator Tim Kaine, Democrat of Virginia
  • Jake Sullivan, nationwide safety adviser
  • Governor Larry Hogan, Republican of Maryland
  • Kansas Metropolis, Missouri, Mayor Quinton Lucas
  • Dr. Scott Gottlieb, former FDA commissioner 

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MARGARET BRENNAN: I am Margaret Brennan in Washington. And this week on Face the Nation, we are going to mark President Biden’s first full yr in workplace and see if he can rebound from every week of setbacks. 

2022 isn’t precisely off to begin for the Biden administration. One information group characterised final week as full of miscues, missteps and miscalculations. Inflation continues at a 40-year excessive. The Supreme Courtroom blocked Mr. Biden’s vaccine mandate for companies. And his try at pushing fellow Democrat Senators Manchin and Sinema to assist guidelines adjustments to move the voting rights invoice is all however sure to fail. 

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SENATOR KYRSTEN SINEMA (D-Arizona): And whereas I proceed to assist these payments, I cannot assist separate actions that worsen the underlying illness of division infecting our nation. 

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MARGARET BRENNAN: The president even concedes his effort is probably going doomed. 

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JOE BIDEN (President of america): The honest-to-God reply is, I do not know whether or not we are able to get this executed. 

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MARGARET BRENNAN: Given the large challenges dealing with Mr. Biden, is the battle use of valuable political capital? We’ll ask Virginia Democratic Senator Tim Kaine. 

Plus, a CBS Information ballot out this morning exhibits many Individuals suppose Mr. Biden has misplaced priorities, and the place they suppose he ought to focus. 

Then: As the specter of a Russian invasion into Ukraine intensifies, we are going to speak with White Home Nationwide Safety Adviser Jake Sullivan. And, as Omicron’s bullseye strikes West, instances within the Northeast are peaking. However well being care programs are nonetheless in disaster mode, and the warnings are getting extra dire.

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DR. ANTHONY FAUCI (Chief Medical Adviser to President Biden): Omicron, with its extraordinary, unprecedented diploma of effectivity of transmissibility, will finally discover nearly everyone. 

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MARGARET BRENNAN: Maryland Governor Larry Hogan, Kansas Metropolis Mayor Quinton Lucas, and former FDA Commissioner Dr. Scott Gottlieb will all be right here. It is all simply forward on Face the Nation. 

Good morning and welcome to FACE THE NATION. Thursday will mark the primary full yr since President Biden took workplace, and a brand new CBS Information ballot exhibits Individuals suppose he isn’t targeted sufficient on key points just like the financial system and inflation. Forty-four % of Individuals approve of the job he is doing total, with a break up on his dealing with of the coronavirus. With regards to Mr. Biden’s efforts on the financial system simply over a 3rd, 38% approve. His dealing with of inflation is worse; 7 in 10 Individuals disapprove. We flip now to CBS Information elections and surveys director Anthony Salvanto. Good morning to you, Anthony. What’s weighing on the president’s approval score probably the most?

ANTHONY SALVANTO: Good morning, MARGARET, let’s begin with COVID, now a part of that is simply expectations initially of his time period; folks thought COVID would get higher, however proper now most individuals do not suppose the hassle towards the pandemic goes properly. A part of a president’s scores all the time carry a few of that basic feeling. You look again initially of his time period, he received very robust approval scores for dealing with the pandemic that carried into the summer season; a two-thirds approval. That began to dip just a little bit as instances received just a little bit worse, some vaccine controversies, all the way down to the place it’s now. Now, let’s be clear, it is not that individuals blame a president for all of this. While you take a look at why folks may suppose he isn’t doing job, the factor that stands out is data, folks really feel it has been complicated – that stands out. The truth is, total, folks within the nation say that that steering has been more and more complicated and that does accrue to a president. We all know that the science is all the time making an attempt to get a maintain on this. However within the public thoughts, they do search for that readability, MARGARET.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Properly, with regards to the problems that we are saying matter right here, the financial system and inflation, what precisely is hurting the president?

SALVANTO: Yeah, the financial system story, the inflation story are tales about focus, and this is the way you begin with a majority of individuals saying that the administration isn’t targeted sufficient on the financial system, on inflation, and these are their most necessary points. Typically politics is actually easy. You have to be seen attacking the issues that individuals suppose are paramount. Now, if you take a look at how that performs out in his scores on the financial system, properly, what is the blame for it? It is a combination of issues. Once more, a few of it, sure, folks blame his insurance policies. There’s additionally the pandemic. There are provide chain points that individuals see within the combine. However once they do not suppose he is targeted, they’re extra prone to disapprove total. After which that goes to a broader sense of feelings about his first yr. We see quite a lot of people describing that as making them really feel pissed off or disenchanted. He is received to be seen these issues that individuals suppose are paramount and that’s inflation, MARGARET.

MARGARET BRENNAN: So, that is the bottom level in his presidency with regards to approval of how he is dealing with COVID, not approval of the financial system and the way he is dealing with inflation. Do folks simply suppose he is losing his time right here?

SALVANTO: Properly, let’s have a look, as a result of we requested folks, properly, when you do not approve of the president, what may change your thoughts? And what actually stood out is that if he will get inflation down, folks say they may enhance their opinion, and that is quite a bit increased, I ought to add, then if he passes the Construct Again Higher Act. It is actually about inflation, not laws at this level. The truth is, even for Democrats, even inside his personal get together, once they charge him on the problems, they’re hardest on him about being targeted on inflation, MARGARET.

MARGARET BRENNAN: The issues that individuals truly expertise. I do know, Anthony, you’ve got been monitoring this for a while. It was again in the summertime with the withdrawal from Afghanistan that we noticed the president’s approval score actually start to say no. Has there been any restoration alongside the way in which? Is that also an overhang?

SALVANTO: That is right. He began out robust when it declined in the summertime, proper round Afghanistan, different traits of him took a success too. He received declines in scores on effectiveness, on competence that haven’t recovered, these issues have continued to be decrease. And because it’s gone down, that is been correlated with these views that he isn’t paying sufficient consideration to inflation and to the financial system. Now, if you take a look at this in context, presidents of their first yr, he’s just a little increased than Trump was, decrease than Obama was. However you need to take a look at the period, due to late the final 10, 20 years or so. We have seen extra polarization. We have seen more- extra partisanship that tends to place each a ceiling and a ground on presidents as a result of the opposite get together will not give them any credit score. And their very own get together tends to bolster their approval. However I’d add this about Joe Biden, he nonetheless will get constructive marks for folks liking him personally, that is one thing that is carried by way of even because the presidential marketing campaign. That helps underpin him as properly. It is nearly whether or not he is seen specializing in issues just like the financial system and inflation proper now. MARGARET.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Anthony Salvanto, thanks a lot on your perspective.  We go now to Sen Tim Kaine. He joins us from Richmond. Good morning to you, senator. 

SEN. TIM KAINE (D-VA): Good morning, MARGARET. So, you simply heard that CBS ballot, which exhibits 65% of the nation, would not suppose the president is targeted sufficient on inflation, which is {that a} 40 yr excessive of seven%. Why do you suppose the White Home seems so out of contact with the general public?

SEN. KAINE: Properly, look, I believe it is a powerful time proper now, and MARGARET, as , the White Home’s focus, vital vitality on the financial system within the first yr, document job progress within the first yr of the White Home, 3.9% unemployment charge and really robust progress in wages. However the inflation subject is actual, we have got to sort out it. A few of the inflation is- is expounded to the persevering with pandemic, which has disrupted provide chains. However President Biden and Congress are additionally engaged on initiatives within the Construct Again Higher laws that may scale back value well being care, prescribed drugs, schooling. Individuals hear the title of the invoice, and they do not know what it’d do for them. But when we are able to get it handed, a few of it offers with value drivers that bedevil most households and we are able to present them we’re paying consideration.

MARGARET BRENNNA: Even the White Home economist is utilizing the previous tense when referring to Construct Again Higher. It is lifeless. You do not have the votes within the Senate. 

SEN. KAINE: Yeah, I do not agree with you, MARGARET, you are proper that it is lifeless, the- the newest model of it’s not going to occur, however when you take a look at the core of the invoice, I believe the core is schooling and workforce and issues like lowered youngster care and schooling bills, workforce coaching after which assist for the workforce in areas like well being care. There are different items of the invoice which are extra controversial. I nonetheless consider we will discover a core of this invoice, no matter we name it, we will discover the core of the invoice and move it, and it’ll deal straight with a few of these inflation issues.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Democratic strategist James Carville was on one other community this morning, and he mentioned Democrats whine an excessive amount of. He said- you are not talking- he mentioned you are not speaking sufficient in regards to the infrastructure invoice you simply handed. You are speaking about issues which have failed, and you’ve got a vote scheduled this week that may even fail on voting rights. Why do you suppose that’s an efficient technique to have excessive profile failures moderately than speak in regards to the issues that persons are saying do matter to them on the financial system and inflation?

SEN. KAINE: Properly, MARGARET, I do suppose we- we’re speaking quite a bit in regards to the infrastructure invoice. Definitely, I’m, in Virginia and whether or not it is broadband highway, rail, bridges, ports, airports, electrical energy grid, it may imply quite a lot of good for each zip code within the nation. With respect to voting rights, look, regardless of the pundits say, , makes political sense. It’s- it’s such an existential subject. These of us who survived the assault on the Capitol Jan. 6 and are witnessing wholesale efforts across the nation to make it tougher for folks to vote and to undermine the integrity of elections, we now have to do that. All of us should be recorded at this second in time about the place are we in defending the correct to vote. Proper now, it would not appear to be it has the votes to move, however we will cancel our Martin Luther King Day recess and be there this week as a result of we predict it is so necessary for the nation. And we might be voting, each on the payments, but additionally on if we won’t get Republican assist for the bills- we now have uniform Democratic assist, might we discover a path to make some guidelines, changes to move them.

MARGARET BRENNAN: However you do not have the votes to droop that 60-vote threshold. So, what- what sort of mechanism are you envisioning right here that’s in some way going to get this by way of?

SEN. KAINE: As of proper now, MARGARET, we do not have all 50 Democrats on board with guidelines adjustments, however there are a few totally different paths. Some contain guidelines adjustments like a carve out to the filibuster. However there’s different paths that we might take the place we just- the 60-vote threshold is simply if you wish to restrict debate, we might do longer debate after which within the debate and have a easy majority. However we could have a vote on the payments, and we could have a vote on a guidelines path to get there as a result of it is so necessary for the nation.

MARGARET BRENNAN: The- the president, as , gave this very high-profile speech this week- this previous week in Georgia. He is referred to as the native legislation there “Jim Crow 2.0.” In that speech that he gave, he- he in contrast his opponents to Bull Connor, Jefferson Davis, which Republican chief Mitch McConnell mentioned was akin to saying, “agree with me or you’re a bigot.” How does characterizing opponents like that truly win over any type of Republican assist? Is not the president hobbling himself?

SEN. KAINE: , MARGARET, I learn these feedback in another way. Joe Biden was powerful in his phrases, however I believe what he mentioned is within the Sixties, say the Voting Rights Act of 1965, folks, together with folks of goodwill, needed to determine had been they going to face on the facet of Bull Connor or stand on the facet of John Lewis. It was the identical level that Martin Luther King made in his well-known letter from the Birmingham Jail and mentioned, I am writing to folks of goodwill. You is probably not bigots and also you is probably not professional discrimination, however this can be a second in time the place you must determine which facet, you are going to stand with in these efforts to hobble minority votes and put up stunts and schemes and folks’s means, all folks of goodwill should determine the place they’ll stand.

MARGARET BRENNAN: So, you disagree with Sen. Dick Durbin, who mentioned the president might have gone too far there. I imply, is there any outreach to Republicans right here who have- some have signaled some willingness on the Electoral Rely Act or different measures?

SEN. KAINE: MARGARET, I have been engaged in outreach to Republicans on voting rights since July and have discovered zero assist aside from Sen. Lisa Murkowski, who was a co-sponsor of the John Lewis invoice. We are able to get no co-sponsors regardless of repeated efforts once we put the invoice up on the ground to proceed to it, they vote towards even debating the invoice, understanding that they may block its passage. They do not even need to discuss it. So, I thank Sen. Murkowski for being a supporter of restoring the preclearance provisions within the John Lewis invoice, however to this point she’s been the one one who has been prepared to place her title to assist for any of those provisions.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Yeah, you had been with us again in Nov. when a Republican received the governorship in your house state. You blame that Democratic loss on congressional Democrats, who you mentioned, “simply blew the timing of infrastructure, workforce and schooling. Congressional Democrats have majorities in each homes, and the American public expects us to ship.” Clock is ticking right here forward of these midterm races. What do Democrats have to ship on with a purpose to maintain on to any type of majority?

SEN. KAINE: You are proper, MARGARET, I believe we might have received that race had we executed infrastructure a month earlier. Now we now have delivered on the far-reaching American Rescue Plan. We now have delivered on a as soon as in a era infrastructure funding, though a month too late, I believe we now have to enter that Construct Again Higher invoice and do the core provisions that scale back prices for Individuals in these key areas. If we do that may communicate to their inflation concern, we are going to assist folks out in each zip code on this nation; I believe we have got to do this. And it’s my hope that we’ll discover a path, though the Vegas odds is probably not nice. We have to discover a path to guard democracy from an assault that’s being led by President Trump and his followers throughout this nation.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Senator, thanks on your time this morning. 

SEN. KAINE: Completely. 

MARGARET BRENNAN: FACE THE NATION might be again in a single minute with nationwide safety adviser Jake Sullivan.


MARGARET BRENNAN: We go now to White Home nationwide safety adviser Jake Sullivan. Good morning to you, Jake. I need to begin by asking you about what occurred in a single day in Texas with this synagogue and the hostage scenario there. I do know a British man who took the hostages is now lifeless, the others had been launched. Any indication that that is a part of any type of broader extremist menace?

WH NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER JAKE SULLIVAN: Properly, MARGARET, it is too quickly to inform at this level what the complete parameters of this act of terrorism, this act of anti-Semitism had been. We now have the Division of Homeland Safety, the FBI and legislation enforcement and intelligence companies working intensively to get a full image of what this particular person’s motives had been and whether or not or not there are any additional connections. So, I’ll go away it to the professionals to proceed the work at this time, and as we now have extra data, we are going to share it. However I do suppose we should always all take a second at this time to pay tribute to the native, state and federal legislation enforcement officers who acted bravely, professionally and successfully to rescue these hostages and convey the scenario to a secure conclusion. They’re heroes they usually deserve our assist, and we then all also needs to increase our vigilance towards acts of terrorism, acts of antisemitism, notably at synagogues and locations of worship on this nation.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Famous. Thanks, Jake. I need to ask you about what I consider is consuming up quite a lot of your time proper now, and that is this lively menace from Russia. Microsoft final night time mentioned they found all kinds of extremely damaging malware in laptop networks in Ukraine. Ukraine was hit by a cyberattack earlier within the week as properly. Is Russia utilizing this to organize the battlefield and can a cyber-strike draw U.S. sanctions?

SULLIVAN: We have been warning for weeks and months, each publicly and privately, that cyber-attacks could possibly be a part of a broad-based Russian effort to escalate in Ukraine. We have been working intently with Ukrainians to harden their defenses and we are going to proceed to take action within the days forward. We’re additionally coordinating with the non-public sector corporations like Microsoft, each in Ukraine and right here in america, in case there are potential cyber-attacks that unfold within the coming months right here. After all, it is doable that Russia could- might conduct a collection of cyber-attacks. That is a part of their playbook. They’ve executed it prior to now in different contexts. We now have not particularly attributed this assault but. Neither we nor among the key non-public sector corporations have attributed it. However we’re working arduous on attribution, and we are going to do all the pieces we are able to to defend and shield networks towards the kind of damaging malware that Microsoft flagged of their weblog put up final night time.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Properly, the Ukrainians are saying it appears prefer it has some Russian fingerprints on it. Why would not this draw US sanctions? Why are you ready for Vladimir Putin to go additional and really cross the border? Aren’t we already in the course of a battle?

SULLIVAN: Properly, first, MARGARET, as I mentioned earlier than, we have to work by way of attribution, and once more, as I mentioned, that is a part of the Russian playbook, so it could not shock me one bit if it finally ends up being attributed to Russia. However let’s do first issues first, let’s get attribution after which make a dedication about what we do subsequent. When it comes to sanctions, what we now have laid out is a really clear message to the Russians, and we have executed so in live performance and in unison with our allies that in the event that they do additional invade Ukraine, there might be extreme financial penalties and a worth to pay. And sure, after all, if it seems that Russia is pummeling Ukraine with cyberattacks, and if that continues over the interval forward, we are going to work with our allies on the suitable response.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Russia has been transferring, tanks have been transferring army tools, their high diplomat mentioned Friday, “their endurance is working out, diplomacy isn’t working.” Are- are you planning to get President Putin, President Biden and President Zelensky of Ukraine all on the telephone collectively, just like the Ukrainians are asking?

SULLIVAN: Properly, we’re in shut contact with our allies and companions, together with the Ukrainians. I communicate to my counterpart in Ukraine, the nationwide safety adviser, often. We have spoken seven occasions simply prior to now month, so we’re coordinating intently our subsequent steps. And we’ll have extra to share by way of the following steps into diplomacy early subsequent week. However the important thing level right here, MARGARET, is that we’re prepared both means, if Russia needs to maneuver ahead with diplomacy. We’re completely prepared to do this in lockstep with our allies and companions. If Russia needs to go down the trail of invasion and escalation, we’re prepared for that too, with a sturdy response that may reduce off their strategic place. So, from our perspective, we’re pursuing concurrently deterrence and diplomacy, and we have been clear and steadfast in that once more, absolutely united with the transatlantic neighborhood.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Russia’s been fairly clear in simply charging forward with this. Mike Morrell, who I do know, , the previous appearing director of the CIA, mentioned this comes all the way down to a matter of American credibility, which might be misplaced if Vladimir Putin defies President Biden when- when the White Home has set out these clear strains, that is what is- what’s at stake right here, Jake. I imply, we have been speaking in regards to the president’s approval scores being on the decline since that chaotic withdrawal from Afghanistan. It is a danger not simply to overseas coverage, however to the president’s potential to set vivid strains for adversaries.

SULLIVAN: Look, I am going to go away the political evaluation to you and others. This is what I am targeted on. Will america and NATO and our allies emerge from this- no matter occurs in a stronger strategic place, and can Russia emerge in a weaker strategic place? That is the check. And that check would not get handed tomorrow or the following day or the day after that check will get handed over weeks and months and years. And if Russia does transfer, we are going to take measures that go at their financial system that go at their strategic place in Europe that strengthen the solidarity of NATO. And what we simply noticed this previous week in Brussels on the NATO headquarters was 30 allies talking as one after years below the earlier administration, the place NATO was fractured and starting to- to lose focus. So, we truly consider that we now have made strides in shoring up and strengthening our alliances and in placing america ready no matter occurs right here to defend our pursuits, defend our mates and assist the Ukrainian folks as we now have been doing.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Jake rapidly on Iran. The Secretary of State says we’re very, very, very quick on time. Iran is getting very shut right here to the power to supply a weapon. Are they only enjoying for time?

SULLIVAN: Properly, I’d say two issues on this entrance. Primary, our coverage is simple, we’re decided to stop Iran from getting a nuclear weapon. Quantity two, we consider that diplomacy is one of the best ways to do this. However as you mentioned and because the secretary of state has mentioned, time is working quick, and I used to be in Israel on the finish of final month–


SULLIVAN –coordinating on the likelihood that diplomacy doesn’t proceed.


SULLIVAN: We’re working intently with our European allies and companions on this as properly, and we are going to discover a means ahead. However MARGARET,–


SULLIVAN: – a important level right here–

MARGARET BRENNAN: Jake I’ve to wrap you proper now, I am sorry. 

SULLIVAN: The rationale we’re within the scenario we’re in proper now could be as a result of the earlier administration pulled out of the Iran nuclear deal, and we had been paying the wages of that catastrophic mistake.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Understood. Jake Sullivan, thanks. Stick with us.


MARGARET BRENNAN: Welcome again to FACE THE NATION. We flip now to Covid-19, the place the variety of instances, hospitalizations and deaths are nonetheless rising. On the financial entrance, inflation can also be climbing. This is Mark Strassmann. 


MARK STRASSMANN (voice over): Confirming America’s case of omicron jitters has no check and desires none. We’re undeniably anxious. 

WOMAN: This isn’t a sport. It is for actual. 

MARK STRASSMANN: And with good motive.

WOMAN: We’re within the midst of one other Covid-19 tsunami. 

MARK STRASSMANN: Omicron has exploded Covid nationally like by no means earlier than, with new instances rising in 46 states. America’s averaging greater than 750,000 new instances a day, a document. Greater than 20,000 each day hospitalizations, up 25 %, and nearly 2,000 each day deaths, up 37 %. 

MARK STRASSMANN (on digital camera): Right here in Boston, new instances have nearly doubled in Massachusetts over the past two weeks. Hospitalizations have nearly doubled. And omicron’s siege goes on. Native well being consultants anticipate these numbers to maintain hovering for the remainder of January. 

MARK STRASSMANN (voice over): In brief provide, hospital employees, hospital beds. Pennsylvania is considered one of 49 states the place service members reinforce the entrance strains of the Covid response. Additionally scarce, dwelling checks. Beginning Wednesday at, you may register with the federal authorities free of charge speedy checks. A restrict of 4 per family.

However America’s provide chain points embody high-quality masks in excessive demand. 

WOMAN: I really feel safer in these than I do round folks with the common masks. 

MARK STRASSMANN: She ought to. After months of dithering by the CDC, the company now concedes that masks like N95s, KN95s, and surgical as soon as shield higher than material masks. 

DR. ROCHELLE WALENSKY, DIRECTOR, CDC: The CDC continues to advocate that any masks is healthier than no masks. 

MARK STRASSMANN: However whereas Covid’s countless dynamics have fractured America, everybody agrees the financial system wants assist. A 7 % charge of inflation, the best in almost 40 years, from fuel to groceries. 

WOMAN: Costs are off the charts, off the charts, for a center class household to eat. 

WOMAN: As you may see, the cabinets are empty. 

MARK STRASSMANN: And persevering with provide chain points. Pharmacies actually ought to have aspirin. 

WOMAN: And there is solely three bottles on the shelf, and thank goodness I might get one bottle. 

MARK STRASSMANN: If there’s excellent news, it is this, in sure cities like New York and Washington, D.C., the early hotspots, omicron’s breathtaking unfold appears to be flattening. 


MARGARET BRENNAN: We go now to Maryland Governor Larry Hogan, who joins us from Annapolis. Good morning to you, governor.


MARGARET BRENNAN: Eighty % of hospital beds are occupied in your state, Omicron is actually hitting arduous. There are comparisons proper now to the place we had been in 2020. Have you ever seen an actual change within the potential of the federal authorities to reply to states like yours?

GOV. HOGAN: Properly, so we now have been impacted actually arduous over the previous couple of weeks, and we reached the next level than we ever did throughout the remainder of the almost two years of this disaster. We have just a little little bit of constructive information and- in that it is not fairly a development, however over the previous 4 or 5 days, we have seen pretty dramatic decreases in each hospitalizations, positivity charge and case charge. And so it is hopeful, and we’re- we will control that over the following 10 days to see if we proceed. However we’re nonetheless in a reasonably powerful spot, and that is why I declared a state of emergency. We- we did quite a lot of issues to attempt to assist enhance the capability of our hospital programs. Despatched in a thousand members of the Nationwide Guard. And , we’re taking quite a lot of actions straight and we’re- we’re making an attempt to get as a lot assist as we are able to from the federal authorities. However, , fairly frankly, they’re fallen quick in a few methods.

MARGARET BRENNAN: How- what do you want?

GOV. LARRY HOGAN: Properly, we have been pushing for fairly a while, , the president introduced almost a month in the past earlier than Christmas that he was going to distribute these half a billion speedy check out throughout the nation. And to this point we have not seen any. We had been buying our personal, , the states have been on the entrance strains all through this disaster. And now it seems as if, moderately than producing extra of those speedy checks, the federal authorities is simply buying those that we had already contracted for. , so now we’re form of hijacking the checks that we already had plans for, and we’re now getting a few of these suppliers to inform us they not have the mat-Masks- the speedy checks. On masks, , I introduced final week that we were- we had been delivering freed from cost 20 million N95 and might KN95 masks throughout the state. And I believe the federal authorities is following behind making an attempt to do the identical factor elsewhere.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper. The president is predicted to announce one thing intimately this week on that entrance.

GOV. HOGAN: I hope so. 

MARGARET BRENNAN:  And I understand- I perceive the CDC simply modified their steering or tailored their steering on Friday concerning masks. However different states had been on the market, like Connecticut distributing and N95s earlier. Why did you wait till this level?

GOV. HOGAN: Properly, we have been distributing them all through the disaster. I imply, from the start, however the 20 million is a reasonably big quantity. So we have had limitless mass for the faculties, for, , greater than a yr already. We have them out of well being departments and hospitals. However now we’re- we’re having even greater attain as a result of we notice that these masks are way more protecting and that we have a way more contagious variant that is spreading not solely throughout our state however throughout the nation.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Yeah. In close by West Virginia, their governor, additionally Republican Jim Justice, has requested the CDC to authorize a fourth booster for probably the most susceptible in his state. Are you going to do the identical? Are you interested by that?

GOV. HOGAN: Properly, 5 or 6 months in the past, we did transfer ahead on the third booster forward of the federal authorities as a result of we- we had executed our personal antibody examine in our nursing houses, which had been a few of our most susceptible sufferers that we had been very involved about. The CDC was taking their time, and so we had been now doing one other very related antibody examine in our nursing houses to see if we should always transfer ahead with a 4 fourth dose, at the very least for our most susceptible sufferers which are in danger.

MARGARET BRENNAN: So that you’re engaged on that. With regards to–

GOV. HOGAN: Sure. 

MARGARET BRENNAN: What’s taking place in colleges proper now, and I perceive that that is district by district and the choices are totally different, however Prince George’s County, as a District of Columbia suburb, went digital proper round Christmas. They are going again to high school in particular person this coming week. You’ll pose that. You wished youngsters in particular person.

GOV. HOGAN: I do not oppose them going again to high school.

MARGARET BRENNAN: No, however you oppose them going digital and in other- different components of the state the place they did return in particular person, you had some decrease attendance charges as a result of folks had been sick. So why not permit for just a little little bit of flexibility there? Is there a time when digital distant college truly is the only option?

GOV. HOGAN: Properly, there may be flexibility with native college programs, however what we must do and what the state coverage truly is, if there’s an outbreak in a selected classroom or a selected college, then they’ve sure protocols that they, , they need to take, however shutting down complete college programs to punish 1,000,000 youngsters. Look, we have- we presently have 34 folks within the hospital– 

MARGARET BRENNAN: Properly they went distant–

GOV. HOGAN: 30 of them are kids, 30 of them are kids, and half of them are in for an additional motive within the hospital. We’re now filling our pediatric empty pediatric beds with adults as a result of kids haven’t been that huge of an issue. Our faculty programs haven’t been overrun. And , we began vaccinating lecturers greater than a yr in the past as a precedence. That was what they requested for. We offered the masks. We offered a whole bunch of tens of millions of {dollars} for filtration programs to attempt to maintain our youngsters secure. And , I perceive folks caring about youngsters. All of us are. However we missed a yr of studying in some instances, and it is completely not the way in which to go to maintain your complete college system shut down.

MARGARET BRENNAN: understood, however distant is someplace in between. However I need to ask you about some politics right here as a result of as , there’s been quite a lot of speak amongst some excessive degree Republicans, together with Mitch McConnell, the Senate Republican chief who’s making an attempt to recruit you to run for Senate. You mentioned you do not have a burning want to serve within the Senate. You bought a February twenty second submitting deadline. In the event you do not need to inform me you are working or not at this time, are you able to at the very least inform me if a Republican can win a statewide federal election in Maryland?

GOV. HOGAN: Properly, most Republicans could not, however each The Washington Put up and the Senate management did two polls displaying me beating Chris Van Hollen by 12 factors, so I believe it’s doable it is the same- same- identical quantity that I used to be reelected by in 2018 towards Ben Jealous as governor. However look what I mentioned, I have been saying all alongside. It is not one thing I aspire to, however I even have mentioned that I-I care very a lot about the-the nation and the place we’re and the divisive rhetoric that the divisiveness and dysfunction in Washington. And so, , persons are calling on my type of extra patriotic responsibility to say, even when it is not the job that you really want, perhaps we want you to run anyway. And in order that’s the place we’re. I’ve by no means expressed an curiosity in it, and I nonetheless have not taken any steps in that route.

MARGARET BRENNAN: February twenty second Are you going to run or are you going to file?

GOV. HOGAN: February twenty second is sort of a month away, and proper now we’re simply targeted on the day job as governor and targeted on this Omicron disaster and our legislative session, and that is the place my focus goes to remain.

MARGARET BRENNAN: OK, properly, we are going to keep on high of you after which we’ll begin asking you if you are going to run in 2024, which you’ve got been requested and mentioned, you will not touch upon both. Governor, thanks very a lot on your time at this time and good luck with the hospitalizations. We’ll be proper again with the mayor of Kansas Metropolis, Missouri.


MARGARET BRENNAN: We go now to the mayor of Kansas Metropolis, Missouri, Quinton Lucas. He joins us from our CBS affiliate KCTV. Good morning to you, Mr. Mayor. 


MARGARET BRENNAN: Omicron is surging. Hospitalizations in your metropolis up 25 % within the final week. Are hospitals having to postponed surgical procedures? Are they prone to being overwhelmed? 

QUINTON LUCAS: They’re overwhelmed proper now in Kansas Metropolis. Actually because the Christmas season, we now have seen unbelievable challenges in our well being care community. Even getting workers which are working in our EMS providers, fireplace division and in public security. It’s a substantial concern. It is why we now have introduced again various totally different necessities, together with a masks requirement in our colleges, to an ideal degree of controversy, to guarantee that governments can proceed to perform, colleges can keep open, our hospitals can keep open, and we’re doing all we are able to from an area authorities degree to reply to our decisions. 

MARGARET BRENNAN: You have mentioned you’d think about a citywide masks mandate if deaths and hospitalizations reached a sure level. Do you may have a threshold there? What’s holding you again? 

QUINTON LUCAS: Proper now what’s holding us again is, in some methods, the political problem that we obtain from the state of Missouri. There have been quite a few lawsuits filed by the lawyer basic of Missouri, who’s working for United States Senate, a Republican, who has sought masks mandates and referred to as them issues which are challenges to freedom. He is referred to as them challenges in tyranny, these kinds of issues, that we face each time we subject a brand new masks requirement. The Missouri state treasurer has gotten into the act. However what we’re actually making an attempt to give attention to is extra vaccination. What we’re seeing is although omicron is spreading, 80 to 90 % of individuals which are in our ICUs are people who haven’t been vaccinated. We’re dealing with challenges as a result of there’s a substantial quantity of misinformation out within the public about if vaccination is necessary, if it is good, if it is free, what it does to you. So we’re actually preventing, I believe, a battle on two totally different fronts. One is from my political proper, and people which are making an attempt to say that this simply is not that huge of a deal, after which all the time making an attempt to battle the data facet to guarantee that we get folks vaccinated and secure. 

MARGARET BRENNAN: However to that time, we now have new CBS polling out at this time that actually faults the administration itself for complicated messaging round Covid. The president’s approval score for his dealing with is on the lowest level. Two-thirds of these polled cited confusion about Covid data and steering. Is the federal authorities response right here two complicated? Is it too gradual? 

QUINTON LUCAS: , I believe that these polls replicate a second of frustration in America, actually frustration in Kansas Metropolis. Again and again, and everyone in America is aware of this, each few months we thought that this may be over. I believe what we acknowledge is now that Covid might be with us for a while, that we might proceed to see new variants. However I do suppose that there’s a position, not only for the federal authorities, however for state governments, to truly be useful, proper? We now have seen in various totally different states, mine included at occasions, the place there has not been the extent of help, once we’re searching for that intermediate step, who can truly ship that testing to us within the cities, small cities as properly? Who can truly guarantee that colleges keep open? I do not suppose that these are federal issues and people aren’t on the ft of the president. I believe a lot of that’s, how can our complete authorities system, from native authorities as much as the federal facet, guarantee that we’re responding in an lively means. I simply suppose the president’s face is on any variety of issues, and so he’ll continued to be blamed. However, look, what I would like in Kansas Metropolis are extra nurses, extra hospital staff, extra employees, and extra checks. I do not care the place they arrive from. Whether or not they come from our state capitals, whether or not they come from federal authorities, I believe that is what the folks of America need on the bottom. 

MARGARET BRENNAN: You talked about one of many individuals who is difficult your mandates is somebody working for Senate in your state. I need to ask you, I do know you are working for re-election as mayor, however you’re rumored to additionally be contemplating a Senate run. What are nationwide Democrats lacking on the bottom in states like yours? Do you suppose a Democrat might truly win a statewide federal election in Missouri? 

QUINTON LUCAS: I completely suppose a Democrat might win a statewide election in Missouri. I believe, to begin with, as a result of what you see proper now could be that we’re making an attempt to reply to a disaster of the second. We’re making an attempt to ensure we’re answering Covid points, making an attempt to guarantee that persons are getting again into jobs, and speaking about issues which are accountable and affordable. Not trying again over the past 4 years, not making an attempt to push what I believe is fake data, whether or not or not it’s associated to Covid or whether or not or not it’s associated to the financial system or something below the solar. I do suppose, after all, there is a communication problem that we face. The Democratic Occasion is a really huge tent. And I do actually suppose that extra nationwide voices which are saying, look, Democrats are doing issues that make primary sense now, making an attempt to handle provide chain points, making an attempt to ensure folks have Covid testing, and basically ensuring that we’re looking for the folks of Kansas Metropolis in America. , just a few weeks again my household got here down with Covid after which the hardest half, I’ve a nine-month-old child, with seeing him sick. I do not suppose that there is any American who needs to see that hurt to their younger kids, to their infants, to their households. That is what I see quite a lot of mayors seeking to, Democrats, reasonable Republicans, and others, and that is why I believe the general public could be receptive to messages from people which are on the political left. 

MARGARET BRENNAN: You’d should file by the tip of March. Are you going to run? 

QUINTON LUCAS: I — I’ve already mentioned that I will be working for mayor of Kansas Metropolis once more. 


QUINTON LUCAS: I am excited to be mayor. 

MARGARET BRENNAN: Mr. Mayor, thanks on your time. Good luck with the surge. We’ll be proper again. 


MARGARET BRENNAN: We need to test in now with former FDA commissioner Dr. Scott Gottlieb, who additionally serves on the board of Pfizer. Good morning to you, Dr.. 


MARGARET BRENNAN: The appearing FDA commissioner instructed Congress most individuals are going to get COVID, Dr. Fauci mentioned most individuals might be uncovered to it in some unspecified time in the future. I imply, these statements make folks at dwelling go, what am I doing right here? Why am I making an attempt to guard myself? At this level, what are you able to do?

DR. GOTTLIEB: Properly, look, I believe the fact is most individuals are going to get COVID of their lifetime, I do not suppose most individuals have to get COVID inside the subsequent month and something we are able to do to attempt to shield ourselves to extent that there are individuals who have not been uncovered to this virus but, who’ve gone out and gotten vaccinated, been capable of shield themselves. , if they’ll maintain themselves protected for the following a number of weeks, we are going to in all probability be by way of this Omicron wave. After which we’ll should take care of this in all probability subsequent fall when we now have higher instruments accessible to us. I’d a lot moderately have my reckoning with COVID after I have been vaccinated various occasions after there are orally accessible medicine broadly accessible to deal with this an infection. After there’s monoclonal antibodies, broadly accessible to deal with it. After diagnostic testing is stockpiled in my home and those- these realities might be fact come this fall, actually come this summer season, so I believe folks might be in a significantly better place to grapple with this subsequent fall. I believe we should always stay vigilant for the following a number of weeks, attempt to keep away from this an infection when you can.

MARGARET BRENNAN: So maintain robust for the following few weeks. Pfizer CEO,  I do know you served on the board of the corporate, mentioned a vaccine that targets Omicron could possibly be prepared in March. Does that imply everybody wants to begin planning to exit and get one other dose?

DR. GOTTLIEB: Look, I believe the fact is that that is going to turn out to be an annual vaccination, at the very least for a time period. We do not know what the epidemiology of this an infection goes to be over the long term, however actually over the following couple of years, you may envision boosters turning into an annual affair, at the very least for some portion of the inhabitants; people who find themselves extra susceptible. It could possibly be the case that if we now have an Omicron on particular vaccine or Delta particular vaccine, it’s nonetheless unclear what probably the most prevalent pressure of this an infection goes to be on the again finish of this Omicron wave. I believe most individuals presume it is going to be Omicron, however when you can style a vaccine that is particular to the variant that is circulating. You in all probability have the potential to revive quite a lot of the unique promise of the vaccine. And by that, I imply the power to truly forestall transmission to scale back an infection. Proper now, the vaccines are very efficient at stopping critical illness and stopping hospitalization. They’re additionally stopping symptomatic sickness. However the prevention of transmission has been dramatically lowered in a setting of Omicron. In the event you might style a vaccine that’s particular to Omicron, you may restore the power of the vaccine probably to stop transmission, and it once- as soon as once more turns into a public well being instrument for truly controlling unfold.

MARGARET BRENNAN: You heard Governor Hogan, a Republican, say the federal authorities is falling quick on its response proper now. Our polling has proven even confusion amongst Democrats, I imply this is not essentially a partisan subject on frustration with pandemic response. That will get laid on the foot of the president, is that his fault? Is that the CDC falling quick? Is that the FDA, the place we nonetheless shouldn’t have a confirmed commissioner? The place does that blame truly lie?

DR. GOTTLIEB: Properly, look, I believe I believe it lies in quite a lot of locations, I believe quite a lot of the confusion emanates from CDC and the combined steering that they’ve- they’ve issued. Look, the administration, I believe, has executed an admirable job with sure facets of this response. They put an enormous emphasis on rolling out the vaccines. They’ve executed job at that 85% of adults have obtained at the very least one dose of the vaccine. We now have to consider the counterfactual: what if we did not have that a lot vaccination as a rustic? What scenario would we be dealing with proper now? I believe the administration made some errors at a macro degree. The primary was shopping for into this prevailing narrative once they took workplace that quite a lot of the issues, if not all the issues at CDC and from the federal public well being companies owed to the Trump’s administration and their mishandling of these companies. Now, however what the Trump administration did, it did not do to attempt to reform these companies and intervene of their operations. The fact is these companies had deep flaws and it made it arduous to reform the companies as soon as to procure into that- that macro narrative. The- the second problem I believe that they purchased for themselves was federalizing this in ways in which they did not should, notably with respect to the vaccine mandates. I believe as soon as the federal authorities, the Biden administration, stepped in and federalized facets of this response, they owned it and created a notion that they alone might repair it.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Properly, Governor Hogan mentioned they had been having a tough time on the state degree, getting a maintain of checks. In accordance with the White Home, these will start- they will take orders beginning in Jan, however HHS mentioned you won’t obtain these checks for weeks afterward. Is the technique right here simply to have Individuals stockpile checks for the long run as a result of it is not coming in time for Omicron?

DR. GOTTLIEB: Properly, look, I believe that is what Individuals must be doing and the administration steps to attempt to present checks on to shoppers and attempt to present fee for these checks is a crucial step in that route. They’ve additionally within the final week prolonged the expiration dates within the widespread BinaxNOW check and I anticipate they’ll prolong the expiration dates on different checks in order that it makes it extra possible to stockpile these checks. The fact is the checks can be found. They are not low-cost. However when you go to Amazon proper now, you should purchase 10 or extra checks. I examined it before- earlier than we received on this present this morning, so they’re accessible. I believe that they are troublesome to get for bulk buy, for purchases for municipalities and states, however shoppers can get entry to them. And now, with the federal authorities, , offering reimbursement, most shoppers can attain into the market and purchase these checks. Sadly, they weren’t accessible once we had peak demand, and that was when Omicron hit up towards Christmas break, when lots of people went out, wished entry to checks and the shop cabinets had run out.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper. Properly, failure to plan across the vacation within the largest gatherings of the yr, however greater technique. You have mentioned there ought to have been in Operation Warp Pace for drug remedies, not simply the vaccine. Do you suppose the administration is over emphasizing vaccination and never speaking about issues like masks and air flow?

DR. GOTTLIEB: Look, I believe they’ve talked about masks, there’s solely a lot the federal authorities can do to attempt to get shoppers to put on masks, this actually needs to be executed on the state and the native degree. I believe the administration ought to have earlier revised the steering on the standard of the masks, recognizing that increased high quality masks had been going to be necessary towards variants that unfold primarily by way of airborne transmission, just like the Delta variant, just like the Omicron variant. There was an emphasis on vaccines. I believe that there might have been extra emphasis on making an attempt to get capability in place over the summer season for the manufacturing of not simply the orally accessible medicine just like the one manufactured by Pfizer. Pfizer put up a billion {dollars} to advance manufacture of that product, but additionally the monoclonal antibodies, particularly the medicine that could possibly be used as a prophylaxis and remedy.

MARGARET BRENNAN: OK, Dr. Gottlieb, all the time good to speak to you. We’ll be proper again.


MARGARET BRENNAN: That is it for us at this time. Thanks for watching. Till subsequent week, for FACE THE NATION, I am Margaret Brennan. 


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