Full transcript of “Face the Nation” on July 3, 2022

On this “Face the Nation” broadcast moderated by Margaret Brennan:

  • Homeland Safety Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas
  • Rep. Adam Schiff, Democrat of California
  • German Chancellor Olaf Scholz
  • Dr. Henning Tiemeier of Harvard College

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MARGARET BRENNAN: I am Margaret Brennan in Washington.

And on this Fourth of July weekend on Face the Nation, we’ll take a look at the challenges going through an more and more divided America.

President Biden’s message after per week of session with our closest allies on the problems threatening international stability: All is effectively with our mates. The largest menace to the world view of America is from inside.

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JOE BIDEN (President of america): You have not discovered one individual – – one world chief to say America goes backwards. America is best positioned to guide the world than we ever have been.

The one factor that has been destabilizing is the outrageous conduct of the Supreme Court docket of america.

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MARGARET BRENNAN: He is not the one one offended with the Supreme Court docket, as they conclude their most consequential session in years, with far-reaching choices on faith, the atmosphere, immigration and, after all, abortion rights.

He is hoping Democrats channel their anger and worry into assist for his occasion within the November midterm elections.

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PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN: I share the general public outrage that this extremist court docket that’s dedicated to shifting America backwards.

However, in the end, Congress goes to must act to codify the — Roe into federal regulation.

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MARGARET BRENNAN: We’ll assess the affect of those rulings.

The court docket did rule in favor of President Biden’s plan to scrap a Trump period coverage to make asylum seekers wait in Mexico, clearing the best way for extra migrants to enter the U.S. We’ll discuss with Homeland Safety Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas about how the administration plans to deal with the inflow.

With rapid-fire native court docket choices inflicting extra chaos over the place abortion is now unlawful, we’ll take a look at the state of maternal well being in America. How can we maintain our abysmal document from getting worse?

Then: What’s subsequent for the January 6 hearings following Trump White Home aide Cassidy Hutchinson’s beautiful testimony?

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CASSIDY HUTCHINSON (Former Aide to Mark Meadows): The president mentioned one thing to the impact of: “I am the effing president. Take me as much as the Capitol now.”

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MARGARET BRENNAN: We’ll discuss with a key member of the January 6 Choose Committee, Congressman Adam Schiff, concerning the makes an attempt to affect witness testimony unfavorable to the Trump administration.

Plus, extra of our CBS Information unique interview with the brand new German chancellor, Olaf Scholz.

It is all simply forward on Face the Nation.

Good morning, and welcome to Face the Nation. Thanks for becoming a member of us this vacation weekend.

We start at the moment with immigration and the win for the Biden administration final week within the Supreme Court docket, that of the ending of President Trump’s remain-in-Mexico coverage.

To debate that and extra, we wish to welcome Homeland Safety Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas to this broadcast.

Mr. Secretary, good morning to you. Joyful early Fourth of July.

ALEJANDRO MAYORKAS (U.S. Secretary of Homeland Safety): Good morning. And the identical want to you, Margaret. Thanks.

MARGARET BRENNAN: So, what occurs now that remain-in-Mexico goes away? Are you ending this coverage instantly? And what occurs to these people within the encampments ready proper throughout the border?

SECRETARY ALEJANDRO MAYORKAS: Margaret, we had been very happy with the Supreme Court docket’s choice.

So, now, in gentle of the favorable Supreme Court docket ruling, we’ve got to attend for that ruling to succeed in the district court docket that issued an injunction stopping us from ending remain-in-Mexico. So we’ve got a number of weeks to go earlier than the district court docket lifts its injunction.

And, till then, we’re obligated by the district court docket’s ruling to proceed to implement the remain-in-Mexico program. And we’ll achieve this in accordance with regulation.

MARGARET BRENNAN: So, these individuals will nonetheless have to attend within the camps on the Mexican aspect of the border, however what occurs to them subsequent?

SECRETARY ALEJANDRO MAYORKAS: Proper now, they do have to stay in Mexico.

After which we’ll truly proceed with their immigration enforcement proceedings. Bear in mind, when individuals are encountered on the border, they’re simply not merely launched into america. They’re positioned in immigration enforcement proceedings. And that’s what will happen with these individuals.

Their proceedings will proceed in immigration court docket, the place they are going to pursue their claims for asylum. And if these claims are unsuccessful, they are going to be swiftly faraway from america.

MARGARET BRENNAN: So, Reuters is reporting that there are proper now hundreds of people that departed on Friday and are shifting in the direction of the U.S. border.

What do you want proper now? Do you want extra personnel for customs and border management? Do you want extra tools to sort out these smugglers which can be exploiting these individuals?

SECRETARY ALEJANDRO MAYORKAS: Margaret, we’re working very carefully with our companions to the south, with Mexico, that breaks up fairly often these caravans of people that search to take that harmful journey to succeed in our border, solely to be met with the enforcement of our legal guidelines.

We now have mentioned repeatedly. And we proceed to warn individuals to not take the harmful journey. We noticed so tragically in San Antonio, Texas, one of many potential tragic outcomes of that harmful journey. And so many individuals do not even make it that far within the arms of exploitative smugglers.

And we proceed to implement immigration regulation, as is our obligation.

MARGARET BRENNAN: You might be saying proper now — what I hear you saying is, don’t come.

However these phrases are usually not being heard. Persons are shifting proper now. So the efforts to cease the foundation causes are usually not stopping them. This horrific trafficking, the worst smuggling tragedy in U.S. historical past this week, with these people discovered useless in that trailer truck, that is not stopping individuals.

Are you predicting that that is solely going to get extra vital from right here, that we’ll transcend the document surge in migrants?

SECRETARY ALEJANDRO MAYORKAS: No, I am not predicting that in any respect.

And, in truth, within the wake of the San Antonio tragedy — and our Homeland Safety Investigations is the lead federal company investigating what occurred and dealing with america Lawyer’s Workplace within the prosecution of so far 4 people who’ve been charged with that heinous crime.

We’re working with our companions to the south, as a result of this can be a regional problem that requires a regional response.

I final week spoke…

MARGARET BRENNAN: However they obtained previous U.S. — the U.S. border officers.

SECRETARY ALEJANDRO MAYORKAS: Oh, so we’ve got a multilayered method. Margaret.

We, after all, have our inspections on the port of entry with our subtle nonintrusive know-how. We then have checkpoints which can be staffed 24 hours a day, seven days per week. The Laredo checkpoint in query, 10,000 to 14,000 autos cross by way of that checkpoint each day.

This fiscal yr alone…

MARGARET BRENNAN: So, how did this smuggler get these individuals throughout? Fifty-three individuals died.

SECRETARY ALEJANDRO MAYORKAS: These are very subtle transnational legal organizations.

They’ve advanced over the past 30 years. Within the ’90s, I prosecuted them, and so they had been way more rudimentary. Now they’re very subtle, utilizing know-how. They usually’re terribly organized transnational legal enterprises.

And we’re way more subtle utilizing know-how and personnel 24 hours a day. , we’ve got saved greater than 10,000 people this fiscal yr alone in additional than 400 automobile inspections.

So, can a truck get by way of, by way of subtle means? Typically, sure. However I’ve to say, we’ve got interdicted extra medicine on the ports of entry than ever earlier than. We have rescued extra migrants. We’re seeing a problem that’s actually regional, hemispheric in scope, and we’re addressing it accordingly.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Mr. Secretary, I additionally wish to ask you right here at dwelling about what we have seen prior to now 24 hours.

There’s been this back-and-forth between state and federal regulation enforcement concerning safety to Supreme Court docket justices and protests exterior their dwelling. Does the menace transcend picketing? Is it particular and credible?

SECRETARY ALEJANDRO MAYORKAS: So we’ve got seen a heightened menace atmosphere over the past a number of months over various totally different unstable points that provoke individuals on totally different sides of every subject.

We within the Division of Homeland Safety grow to be concerned when there is a connectivity between the opposition to a selected view or an ideology of hate, a false narrative and violence.

It’s that connectivity to violence once we interact. And we’re very conscious that the Supreme Court docket’s choice in reversing and overturning Roe v. Wade has actually heightened the menace atmosphere. And we’ve got deployed assets to make sure the security and safety of the Supreme Court docket and the justices.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Earlier than I allow you to go, I do wish to ask you about what we noticed this weekend up in Boston.

A white supremacist group known as Patriot Entrance marched by way of that metropolis. They lately deliberate occasions, a riot in Idaho. You are seeing this far proper group the Proud Boys additionally disrupt occasions in California.

How involved are you proper now about these militias?

SECRETARY ALEJANDRO MAYORKAS: Margaret, I’ve mentioned — and this has been echoed by the director of the FBI — that home violent extremism is likely one of the best terrorism-related threats that we face within the homeland at the moment, people spurred by ideologies of hate, false narratives, private grievances to acts of violence.

And it’s that violence that we reply to and we search to, after all, stop. We’re in a heightened menace atmosphere.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Mr. Secretary, thanks to your time at the moment.


MARGARET BRENNAN: We’re joined now by California Democratic Congressman Adam Schiff. He’s a member of the January 6 Choose Committee and chairman of the Intelligence Committee.

Good morning, and good to have you ever right here in individual.

REPRESENTATIVE ADAM SCHIFF (D-California): Good morning. Thanks. Good to be with you.

MARGARET BRENNAN: I wish to decide up on what we simply heard from the secretary once we had been speaking about this far proper group the Proud Boys.

This was one of many militias concerned in January 6. And on this unbelievable testimony this previous week from Cassidy Hutchinson, the previous Trump White Home aide, chief of — to Chief of Employees Mark Meadows, she testified she heard conversations contained in the White Home about this far-right group and one other one known as the Oath Keepers.

Is there corroborating proof to point out that there was communication between these militias within the White Home?

REPRESENTATIVE ADAM SCHIFF: I do not wish to get too far forward of what we intend to current in our subsequent hearings, however our very subsequent listening to will likely be targeted on the efforts to assemble that mob on the Mall, who was taking part, who was financing it, the way it was organized, together with the participation of those white nationalist teams just like the Proud Boys, the Three Percenters and others.

And so we’ll be presenting info we’ve got. We have not answered all of the questions that we’ve got. We proceed our investigation into exactly the problem you are describing.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Hutchinson was particular in saying Rudy Giuliani, the president’s private lawyer, was somebody she heard speaking about them.

REPRESENTATIVE ADAM SCHIFF: Nicely, and this is likely one of the causes we had curiosity in his testimony and have curiosity within the testimony of others.

We clearly wish to probe any connection between these harmful teams and the White Home. I believe we have gotten some solutions, however there’s nonetheless a terrific deal we do not know that we’re endeavoring to search out out.

MARGARET BRENNAN: It is an unbelievable allegation, after all. So we’ll monitor that.

I wish to additionally ask you, the vice chair of the committee, Liz Cheney, mentioned not prosecuting former President Trump over the assault on the Capitol could be a a lot graver constitutional menace to the nation than the political difficulties concerned with bringing expenses.

She mentioned this in an ABC interview. She additionally mentioned there are potential legal referrals, not only one, however a number of. Do you agree?


, for 4 years, the Justice Division took the place that you would be able to’t indict a sitting president. If the Division had been now to take the place that you would be able to’t examine or indict a former president, then a president turns into above the regulation. That is a really harmful concept that the founders would have by no means subscribed to, much more harmful, I believe, within the case of Donald Trump.

This — Donald Trump is somebody who has proven, when he is not held accountable, he goes on to commit worse and worse abuses of energy. So I agree with Decide Carter in California. I believe there was proof that the previous president engaged in a number of violations of the regulation, and that must be investigated.

MARGARET BRENNAN: However there will likely be a political calculus to this as effectively. That is an extremely divided nation proper now.

Thousands and thousands of individuals voted for the previous president and nonetheless imagine, wrongly, that he gained the election. Prosecuting him, is not there a really excessive danger to that?

REPRESENTATIVE ADAM SCHIFF: , it is actually not a step to be taken frivolously in any respect.

On the identical time, immunizing a former president who has engaged in wrongdoing, I’d agree with our vice chair, I believe is extra harmful than anything. And the choice to not transfer ahead with an investigation or to not transfer ahead with a prosecution due to somebody’s political standing or political affect or as a result of they’ve a following, to me, that could be a way more harmful factor to our Structure than following the proof wherever it leads, together with when it results in a former president.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Your colleague Adam Kinzinger was on one other program this morning and mentioned new witnesses have come ahead since Cassidy Hutchinson testified.

What number of? How vital? Is there extra new info that requires extra hearings?

REPRESENTATIVE ADAM SCHIFF: , I believe there is definitely extra info that’s coming ahead.

By way of whether or not that can materialize into explicit witnesses on this subject or that subject, we’ll wait and see. However we’re following further leads. I believe these leads will result in new testimony. It is a part of the rationale we wished her to come back earlier than the general public, is, we had been hoping it could generate others stepping ahead, seeing her braveness would encourage them to point out the identical form of braveness.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Has she impressed the previous White Home counsel Pat Cipollone to take up the request to talk to him once more?


We’re in discussions with Mr. Cipollone’s counsel. I am hopeful that we will work out bringing him in for testimony. He clearly has details about issues about legal violations, issues concerning the president going to the Capitol that day, issues concerning the chief of employees having blood on his arms in the event that they did not do extra to cease that violent assault on the Capitol.

Exhausting to think about somebody extra on the heart of issues. And I hope that he’ll reveal the identical braveness we noticed Cassidy Hutchinson show.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Who’s trying to intimidate the witnesses, as Congresswoman Cheney mentioned? And the way vital are the safety threats towards Hutchinson?

REPRESENTATIVE ADAM SCHIFF: I’ve to think about the safety threats are very pronounced.

Definitely, our members are feeling them and listening to them. I’ve to anticipate the identical is true of her, for the reason that former president and his enablers are going after her. We wish to ensure that she is secure. We now have a number of issues. We now have the priority over security for witnesses. We now have concern over people who find themselves attempting to affect or intimidate witnesses.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Who’s doing that?

REPRESENTATIVE ADAM SCHIFF: , I am unable to touch upon particular however…

MARGARET BRENNAN: However you understand?

REPRESENTATIVE ADAM SCHIFF: … we wished to let the nation know and anybody within the former president’s world know that, in the event that they search to intimidate witnesses, they are going to be referred for prosecution. And we hope that Justice Division will transfer towards them.

However we even have a priority about the truth that a few of these witnesses are sharing attorneys, that, primarily — and this will get to some the testimony revealed throughout the Cassidy Hutchinson listening to — that they are reviewing transcripts, that they are primarily coordinating, doubtlessly, their tales, or that witnesses really feel they have massive brother watching them once they sit in for his or her depositions.

MARGARET BRENNAN: So, on that, I wish to ask you.

One of many issues that Cassidy Hutchinson described having been instructed by one other particular person is about this tussle within the Beast, the president’s automobile, the place he allegedly lunged for the wheel demanding to be taken to the Capitol. The committee’s already interviewed Tony Ornato, the White Home operations director, and Secret Service agent Robert Engel.

Was this the primary time you heard about that incident? Did they again that up or contradict that testimony?

REPRESENTATIVE ADAM SCHIFF: I am unable to go into the specifics of the prior testimony.

However I can say I believe we would be thinking about having them come again and others that may make clear this. However an important factor is there would not look like any dispute over the actual fact the president was livid that he couldn’t accompany this armed mob to the Capitol.

That appears to be undisputed. And the truth that the president knew that the mob was armed, wished the magnetometers down, so they may take their arms to the Capitol, that does not appear to be disputed by anybody besides Donald Trump. And he has, as we have seen prior to now, no credibility in any respect.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Shortly, earlier than I allow you to go, along with your Intel hat on right here, the bullet that was used to kill American journalist Shireen Abu Akleh has been handed over to america.

It is present process ballistics testing proper now. If Israeli troopers did certainly kill her, what penalties ought to there be?

REPRESENTATIVE ADAM SCHIFF: Nicely, I believe there must be an impartial investigation, in order that we perceive precisely what occurred and who was accountable and why.

As soon as we all know that, then I believe we will discuss what the results must be. However I do assume there must be an goal investigation. And I am glad that america will help play a component in that.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Congressman Schiff, thanks to your time.


MARGARET BRENNAN: Face the Nation will likely be again in a minute. Stick with us.


MARGARET BRENNAN: The Supreme Court docket ended its time period with various historic and a few controversial rulings.

For a breakdown and a take a look at what comes subsequent, we flip to CBS Information chief authorized correspondent Jan Crawford.

You will have been extremely busy, Jan.

We had various these choices this week that replicate the need of the conservative majority. President Biden known as them extremist — an extremist court docket. How do you characterize the choices?

JAN CRAWFORD: Nicely, I imply, this can be a court docket that has proven it has clearly turned firmly to the correct.

And it might have sweeping implications for American life, the democratic course of. Taken collectively, what we’ve got seen this time period is that this can be a court docket that’s not going to become involved in these divisive coverage points, except that’s clearly inside its purview.

If it isn’t particularly talked about within the Structure, then that goes to the democratic course of. That is what we noticed within the abortion rights case, overturning Roe vs. Wade, was not particularly talked about; due to this fact, we’re not going to resolve it. Again to the democratic course of.

And if Congress cannot do his job, and Congress is not appearing, this can be a court docket that claims administrative companies and unelected bureaucrats, they cannot leap in and fill these vacuums if Congress is not appearing and attempt to set main coverage questions. That was the case involving local weather change and the EPA.

So, I imply, the underside line is, this court docket, not like a extra liberal court docket, just isn’t leaping in to fill these vacuums the place Congress or the legislatures are failing to behave. And that’s going to imply a profound distinction within the democratic course of and the rule of the courts — the function of the courts.

MARGARET BRENNAN: As a result of it isn’t clear.


MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure, it isn’t clear if lawmakers will take up these points.


JAN CRAWFORD: With dysfunction in Congress, completely.

However they’re saying the ball is in Congress’ court docket or the state legislatures when it is a coverage dispute, if it isn’t particularly addressed by the Structure.

MARGARET BRENNAN: So, to that time, as a result of now we’re seeing all these states, their courts, their legislatures have arguments over what to do subsequent, significantly on the problem of abortion.

Kentucky, Florida, Utah, Louisiana, actually vital authorized battles happening about abortion protections. What’s your takeaway to this point? I imply, is there a commonality to the place they’re ending up?


So, keep in mind, 26 states requested the Supreme Court docket to overturn Roe vs. Wade and allow them to set their very own insurance policies on abortion rights. And that is what we’re seeing now, the court docket agreed. And we’re seeing that play out throughout the nation. Already states, nearly a dozen states have legal guidelines in place able to go to fully ban abortion of their states.

So that you’re seeing abortion rights advocates go into these states and file lawsuits in state courts underneath state constitutions, as a result of the Supreme Court docket mentioned, it isn’t within the federal Structure, but when a state has extra protecting rights of their constitutions, then work it on the market.

And so that is what we’re seeing now. We’re seeing these authorized battles play out as — the identical time because the state legislatures are passing their very own legal guidelines, blue states passing legal guidelines to enshrine abortion entry or defend it much more, for instance.


And the chaos has led to some individuals mistakenly considering abortion is banned or one thing. It is not. It is…

JAN CRAWFORD: That is been essentially the most placing factor, I believe.

The Supreme Court docket didn’t ban abortion nationwide. They only mentioned there’s not a proper to abortion within the Structure.


JAN CRAWFORD: Due to this fact, it goes again to the democratic course of, and states can set their very own insurance policies. If Congress desires to do one thing, Congress can, but it surely’s not within the Structure.

So now you’ve gotten seen this patchwork of legal guidelines. And also you’re seeing authorized challenges underneath state constitutions. However you are going to see totally different legal guidelines in numerous states. In case you’re in New York or California or Boston or Illinois or any of these Democratic states, this ruling is not going to have an effect on your life in any respect.

Your — the legal guidelines in your states will not change. It is these purple states that we see that can attempt to ban or enormously prohibit abortion…

MARGARET BRENNAN: We’ll observe that.

JAN CRAWFORD: … and already are seeing that.

MARGARET BRENNAN: I wish to ask you about what’s coming.




MARGARET BRENNAN: Why do you say, “Oh, God”?

That is not a very good response, Jan.

JAN CRAWFORD: It is — as massive of a time period this was — and, after all, each time the court docket overturns an almost 50-year-old precedent, as they did with Roe vs. Wade — subsequent time period might be as consequential, divisive as this time period, or extra so.

They’ve main circumstances already on the docket. They are going to proceed so as to add them all year long. They already have a case difficult affirmative motion in school admissions. I anticipate the court docket goes to finish that.

They have a case involving form of a battle between free speech and homosexual rights and whether or not a state regulation can prohibit somebody from saying on their Website they oppose same-sex marriage and do not wish to try this enterprise in designers and artists.

They have voting rights. They have an election process case that would have enormous implications for elections. I imply, that is only the start…


JAN CRAWFORD: … and a brand new justice stepping right into a divided court docket.

MARGARET BRENNAN: An historic new justice.

Jan, you can be again with us quite a bit, I perceive, primarily based on what you simply sketched out.


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MARGARET BRENNAN: Final week we traveled to Madrid to talk with the brand new chancellor of Germany, Olaf Scholz, throughout per week of worldwide conferences amongst prime U.S. allies who’re confronted with a rising listing of issues, together with rising meals and power costs exacerbated by Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. Chancellor Scholz is likely one of the few European leaders who nonetheless speaks to Vladimir Putin. In order that’s the place we began our dialog.


MARGARET BRENNAN: While you converse to Putin, does he acknowledge the sanctions? Does he acknowledge how a lot his economic system has been damage? Or does he simply not care?

OLAF SCHOLZ (Chancellor Of Germany): I believe he cares, however he is not going to actually admit it. So that you get some thought –

MARGARET BRENNAN: As a result of it hasn’t stopped him.

OLAF SCHOLZ: You get some concept that it truly is hurting him and that he understands the deep impacts of our sanctions on his economic system. And I am all the time mentioning it as a result of it’s a necessity to say it.

That is now occurring to a rustic that’s not that superior, that’s actually needing all of the applied sciences from the remainder of the world for having an analogous lifestyle and for having the possibility to be a part of gross (ph) — certainly world economic system. And that is now the true harm to the Russian economic system that they don’t have any likelihood to do that.

MARGARET BRENNAN: When will Putin run out of weapons, run out of funds, or can he — this proceed for years?

OLAF SCHOLZ: Nobody actually is aware of. He’s – he’s the pinnacle – the chief of a really nice nation with lots of people dwelling there, with loads of means. And he’s actually doing this brutal battle with – and — and he ready for it. So, he’ll be capable to proceed with the battle actually a very long time.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Do you imagine that Vladimir Putin will cease at Ukraine?

OLAF SCHOLZ: I (INAUDIBLE) that every one what we do will assist to present him the view that this isn’t working and that he is not going to achieve success.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Your nation has earned this popularity of overpromising and underdelivering on the subject of Ukraine. Ukraine acquired its very first supply of German howitzers, this artillery, final week. Why did it take that lengthy? We’re within the fifth month.

OLAF SCHOLZ: So, we took a really, very onerous choice to vary political methods we adopted for a lot of many years, by no means to ship weapons into a rustic that’s in a battle.


OLAF SCHOLZ: Once we determined, as an illustration, to ship essentially the most fashionable howitzer, which you should purchase on the world market, which is in use in Germany, it was very troublesome to arrange that this might be used within the battle as a result of it’s a must to have some coaching. And we had Ukrainian troopers in Germany. And when the coaching ended, in the long run they got here with the weapon, with the howitzers to Ukraine, and they’re now in use.

MARGARET BRENNAN: However america is doing that. They’re offering weaponry inside 48 hours generally of the president signing, and finishing up coaching. Why did it take this lengthy for Germany?

OLAF SCHOLZ: I believe — I believe it’s best to perceive that there’s a distinction of a rustic like america spends that a lot for protection, which is a really massive funding, and you’ve got loads of weapons at your shares. Along with america and the UK, we determined to ship multi-rocket launchers to Ukraine now, that are –

MARGARET BRENNAN: These have not been delivered but.

OLAF SCHOLZ: We’re sending them and we’re doing it with the means and methods we’ve got, and with the coaching. And as soon as once more, there are loads of very skilled individuals who yesterday checked out Google and at the moment they know the best way to do issues.

However I’ll inform you, there are weapons, however it’s a must to have your coaching and it’s a must to have it not in Ukraine, it’s a must to have it right here in our international locations. And so we’ll all the time see that Germany is likely one of the international locations that’s doing essentially the most, as a result of what we’re sending now’s essentially the most subtle know-how you should utilize. There’s additionally anti-ballistic — there are additionally weapons we give to Ukraine that they’ll defend the air.

MARGARET BRENNAN: The anti-aircraft missiles you’ve got promised? Radar you’ve got promised?

OLAF SCHOLZ: The anti – no, they’ll defend a metropolis from — towards the rockets and missiles that had been despatched there from Putin. And that is very costly and really efficient know-how, however they are going to get it.

MARGARET BRENNAN: The delays have led to hypothesis that it isn’t about getting the provides, it is concerning the will of the federal government to truly ship them, and whether or not there’s worry of frightening Putin or whether or not it is years of funds cuts to your protection business which have made it simply not potential for the German army to behave rapidly. How do you reply to that?

OLAF SCHOLZ: Those that want to the information see that we’re doing what is possible. We’re altering the best way, how we spend cash for protection. And that is the large enhance, which is able to change the scenario and can give us the possibility to be extra fast in response to a menace that’s coming to NATO, the alliance, or to our nation.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Germany is offering about $2 billion in help to Ukraine. That is roughly what you spend per 30 days on fuel from Russia, on coal, on power provides. So, when you’re serving to the Ukrainians financially, you are additionally primarily giving Vladimir Putin a monetary lifeline.

OLAF SCHOLZ: He can’t purchase something from the cash he is getting from us as a result of he has all these sanctions on imports for contemporary applied sciences and issues he’s searching for. So, that is what he is making very offended.

However to be very clear, once we selected sanctions collectively and with all our allies, we mentioned all the time we’ll do it in a means that we hurt Putin greater than us. And plenty of international locations in Europe are relying, for historic causes, and since they’re close to to the place, and it’s the nearest place to get the fuel on the imports of fuel. And can now complete Europe is deciding to exit of this dependence. This can change the state of affairs even on the world market.

MARGARET BRENNAN: However Vladimir Putin can use that cash elsewhere, simply not within the west.

OLAF SCHOLZ: However he can’t purchase —

MARGARET BRENNAN: So, is it nonetheless $2 billion a month that Germany is sending to Russia?

OLAF SCHOLZ: It’s all the time reducing. And we draft the sanctions in the best way that they damage Putin. And that is what we do. And, as soon as once more, we are actually doing actual investments into know-how and pipelines and ports. And I do know there are people who generally assume that when you find yourself having – taking a choice one afternoon, the following morning you’ve gotten a port and a 40 kilometers pipeline.

MARGARET BRENNAN: No, it takes time.

OLAF SCHOLZ: However in the true life this isn’t occurring. When Europe is deciding to exit of the import of – of fuel from Russia, this may have penalties.

MARGARET BRENNAN: It’s going to have enormous – I imply that is the equal of them declaring battle on you, by chopping fuel provides to Germany.

OLAF SCHOLZ: Hundred – hundred — that is –

MARGARET BRENNAN: This is not simply your selection. They’re utilizing that as a weapon towards you.

OLAF SCHOLZ: That is, clearly, the case. And that is why I used to be beginning to talk about the query what to do if the fuel supply will likely be diminished proper once I entered workplace. We must be very a lot ready that we are going to have excessive power costs all around the world in all international locations.

MARGARET BRENNAN: So Germany’s heavy business affiliation, BDI, warned a halt in Russian fuel deliveries would make recession inevitable.

OLAF SCHOLZ: It isn’t — it will likely be very powerful if we could have a scarcity of power provides. Clearly, all our international locations, all our life is relying on the provision of power. And, clearly, loads of international locations — essentially the most international locations of the world are relying on the provision from (INAUDIBLE). And so we’ve got to arrange for a troublesome scenario.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Vladimir Putin is weaponizing inflation. He is weaponizing meals. Is he proper to guess that he can fracture the western alliance by making it tougher for Europeans and Individuals and everybody else to afford meals in these months forward?

OLAF SCHOLZ: You might be very proper. The shortages of meals, many individuals on this planet are seeing now as a menace to them, are the direct consequence of what Russia’s aggression towards Ukraine and the battle he’s imposing on the nation. You are proper that every one the rising power costs are additionally a direct consequence of his doing. And he’s — he’s the one that’s doing the fallacious issues. And we’re all the time discussing this with our companions on the globe. We’re beginning an initiative to assist international locations that haven’t sufficient meals with meals.

MARGARET BRENNAN: If you cannot reopen the Black Sea Ports, if Putin would not comply with let the meals out of Ukraine, how do you decrease international meals costs?

OLAF SCHOLZ: We are actually accumulating cash for supporting the poorest international locations, that they are going to be capable to ship meals to the individuals. And that is our worldwide initiative. We organized along with others for meals safety, and we’ll proceed to do this.

MARGARET BRENNAN: However it dangers international instability.

OLAF SCHOLZ: It’s a actual downside and it’s a actual consequence of Putin’s battle. And that is why it’s much more needed that we assist the individuals.

MARGARET BRENNAN: So, it additionally places strain to finish this battle sooner. What’s your timeline for when this could finish?

OLAF SCHOLZ: The battle will finish when Putin understands that he is not going to achieve success, tis thought to – simply to beat a part of territory of his neighbor.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Members of the German authorities have admitted it was a mistake to be so depending on Russia for thus lengthy.

OLAF SCHOLZ: I believe it was not proper that we weren’t ready to have at any time the possibility to vary the one that’s delivering fuel, oil and coal to us. So We should always have invested throughout Europe in infrastructure that provides us the power to vary the provision from at some point to the opposite. And I believe that is the lesson that has been realized in Europe and in lots of different locations, that it’s a must to put together — be ready for a scenario like this.

MARGARET BRENNAN: President Biden additionally talks about this potential battle between democracies and autocracies. Is that the largest menace on the horizon?

OLAF SCHOLZ: We must be clear concerning the threats which can be coming to our future, and that is coming from autocracies, sure, as a result of they are typically aggressive. And that is a side we must be very a lot conscious of. And I’m. And that is why I organized our assembly we had in Germany with the G-7 group of democratic — economically profitable democratic states that we invite companions from all around the globe which can be additionally democracies for making it occur that the democracies are sturdy.

MARGARET BRENNAN: And by sturdy, it additionally comes with 100,000 U.S. troops in Europe and 300,000 NATO response forces in Europe. This is not simply diplomacy, that is muscle.

OLAF SCHOLZ: That is. And it’s a necessity.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Mr. Chancellor, thanks to your time this morning.



MARGARET BRENNAN: Our full interview is on our web site and our YouTube channel.

We’ll be again in a second.


MARGARET BRENNAN: Leaders on the G-7 final week pledged a further $4.5 billion to handle what the secretary normal of the United Nations is looking an unprecedented international starvation disaster. However help organizations are warning it will not be sufficient, as Russia’s battle in Ukraine severs provide strains and inflation continues raging.

CBS Information international correspondent Debora Patta is in South Sudan with this report.


DEBORA PATTA (voice over): Starvation is a unending season in South Sudan. For 3 years, this nation has been battered by one local weather change shock after one other. Apocalyptic flooding within the north, crippling drought within the southeast.

Thousands and thousands had been already ravenous. Then got here the battle in Ukraine, triggering the U.N.’s largest humanitarian disaster this century as meals and gas costs soared, tipping this nation over the sting.

In Guit (ph), floodwaters have nonetheless not receded.

DEBORA PATTA (on digicam): I am standing in a spot the place individuals used to dwell. These had been their properties. This was the land that they used to domesticate and dwell off. And now it is fully submerged underneath water.

DEBORA PATTA (voice over): Sarah Nyawal’s (ph) total village is gone. She has nothing to eat however the water lilies she’s accumulating.

In the neighborhood of Canal Pigi (ph), each baby dropped at nutritionist Mona Shaik (ph) throughout our go to was severely malnourished.

SARAH NYAWAL: I am afraid, you understand, any baby like that, we’re very near dropping them.

DEBORA PATTA (on digicam): Actually?

SARAH NYAWAL: Inside days.

DEBORA PATTA (voice over): There was Nyanjima Gatlak (ph), who walked for over a month to get meals for her weak and listless eight month previous child, Kang (ph). And Nyabany Kong (ph), who already misplaced one baby to starvation and hasn’t eaten for 2 weeks. Her mother-in-law, Nakoni (ph), is losing away.

Battling nearly unattainable odds, the World Meals Program is doing its finest. However since Russia invaded Ukraine, their prices have risen exponentially. WFP’s Marwa Awad (ph) says they have been pressured to droop help to almost 2 million of the 6 million individuals they feed right here.

MARWA AWAD: We’re having to do humanitarian triage. That is the worst factor that any humanitarian or help employee has to do. We should do one thing to assist.

DEBORA PATTA: Subsistence (ph) farmer Nachapa Lamunia’s (ph) personal mom starved to loss of life. This was her final bag of meals rations for the yr. Will probably be completed in two weeks.

Simply inform the world we want meals, she implored. And if you go to once more, she mentioned, we’ll smile and inform tales of how we survived and discover methods to assist others in want.

Nobody ought to die of starvation. There’s sufficient meals to feed everybody on earth. The tales we heard proceed to hang-out us. The individuals of South Sudan, the world, should not neglect.


MARGARET BRENNAN: Debora Patta reporting in South Sudan.

We’ll be proper again.


MARGARET BRENNAN: Based on the Gates Basis, the maternal mortality fee is larger right here than in another developed nation. And the elimination of federal safety for abortion rights solely underscores that actuality and the dangers forward.

Dr. Henning Tiemeier is the director of the Maternal Well being Process Drive at Harvard College and he joins us now.

Good morning to you, Physician.

HENNING TIEMEIER, M.D. (Maternal Well being Process Drive Director at Harvard College): Hi there, Margaret, and good morning.


I believe that is extremely vital as a result of I wish to put the problem of abortion itself apart for a second and discuss being pregnant in America as these states rewrite these legal guidelines.

So, how is it potential that within the richest nation on this planet we’ve got the best maternal mortality fee? And the way will we cease it from getting worse?

HENNING TIEMEIER: Nicely, I’ve to say two issues to that.

To begin with, there appears to be a problem with the information. We expect it is larger than in different developed international locations, so it’s larger. However a number of the uptick we have seen lately is partly resulting from poor knowledge assortment. So, that has been corrected, however it’s larger.

So why is it larger? We expect that has to do with the final well being of girls in America. So, it’s a background danger. And it’s partly resulting from poverty, to poor well being care throughout being pregnant, and, importantly, poor care after being pregnant, after supply.

MARGARET BRENNAN: It — the mortality fee amongst black moms is thrice larger than white girls. Why?

HENNING TIEMEIER: That’s appropriate. It’s a lot larger. It’s considerably larger. And it’s — you should perceive that there is about 700 girls dying throughout or after labor or within the first months after delivering. Seven hundred per yr. And we all know that almost all of those deaths are preventable.

They usually, certainly, happen in minorities extra usually and particularly in black girls. And why that’s, is basically one of many largest challenges of public well being. And we see that as the highest of the iceberg of poor well being in girls and poor well being in black girls.

And there are a number of causes that appears to go from poverty, to discrimination, to poor take care of this group of girls.

MARGARET BRENNAN: So in line with the CDC, almost 40 % of all abortions carried out on this nation occur amongst black girls. So, in laying out what you probably did, I’d base the belief that you’re projecting that the loss of life fee for these moms can even climb?

HENNING TIEMEIER: I do not assume we’ve got good projections in numbers in the mean time as a result of that can depend upon lots of the points, truly, that you just touched on earlier than, on the authorized points, on the entry to abortion in different states. However we all know that abortion happens in individuals of poverty and in minorities way more usually. We all know that they’ve difficulties to entry abortion exterior the state. So we predict it would affect their bodily and psychological well being.

What number of deaths, no one is aware of.


HENNING TIEMEIER: It is extremely onerous. It’s going to – it would – it is — I would not wish to quantify that.


HENNING TIEMEIER: I could not put a quantity. It is dependent upon so many different issues. Sure.

MARGARET BRENNAN: So, you understand, we checked out Medicaid protection on this nation. It covers about 40 % of all births within the nation. And the federal authorities is attempting to get states to take extra money to increase maternal well being care so it isn’t simply minimize off at two months, but it surely goes for longer so girls can get pelvic exams and so they can get different issues after they offer start.

States like Mississippi aren’t doing that. What is the consequence if you do not have entry to well being care after two months?

HENNING TIEMEIER: So, what you are stating now is likely one of the massive points and one of many issues that might be addressed rapidly. There are quite a few states, Mississippi is considered one of them, however remember Texas is one other one, and that counts in massive numbers, that haven’t expanded, as we are saying, Medicaid. They haven’t accepted the Inexpensive Care Act provide to increase well being care to girls within the first yr.

And I’d truly say it ought to go additional than that within the first yr after supply. Which means that you’ve got little or no proper and little or no protection. So solely the very, very poor in these states are lined, however an enormous variety of poor girls, of comparatively poor, low earnings girls, girls that wrestle to make the time and the cash to be ensured, are usually not lined for issues like psychological well being, bodily checkups, even — so they won’t have the pelvic examinations which can be wanted, you might be proper.

MARGARET BRENNAN: So America appears quite a bit totally different now than it did in 1973. Brookings says about 40 % of U.S. households have girls because the prime bread winner. So, I wish to ask you the way vital it’s, in your view, from a medical perspective, that ladies be capable to take restoration time after childbirth, as a result of, after all, as you understand, on this nation, there isn’t a federal assure of paid household go away. So if these girls must work to assist their household, their job’s in query, primarily, or not less than being paid for it.

HENNING TIEMEIER: I believe that is such an vital subject. It is, in a means, underrecognized. I do know that the vice chairman addressed a few of this. However it is rather vital to see that we want many measures to enhance maternal well being. Certainly one of them could be to enhance prenatal care and the opposite is certainly to enhance postnatal care, but in addition to assist households. And it’s particularly poor deprived households, shopping for them time. So, giving them go away — paid go away is essential as a result of having a toddler is a stress on the system.


HENNING TIEMEIER: Think about you’ve gotten three kids, you’ve gotten a fourth one, then you definitely want – you understand, in the event you’re making a minimal low (ph), you’ll not handle to – to make your ends meet.


HENNING TIEMEIER: You’ll not discover the time to breastfeed. We see that breastfeeding is – just isn’t going up as we wished it could due to this.


HENNING TIEMEIER: So, I argue, sure.


HENNING TIEMEIER: And plenty of of my colleagues, that we want time. Sure.

MARGARET BRENNAN: And we’ll proceed to cowl your analysis. Thanks. We’ll cowl these points on this program as effectively.

I’ve to go away it there, although.

So, we’ll be again in a second.


MARGARET BRENNAN: Right here within the nation’s capital, we’re surrounded with reminders of the challenges our forefathers confronted in occasions of nice battle right here at dwelling and overseas. There are tributes to those that fought for America’s freedom from tyranny, to those that led Individuals by way of a few of is darkest occasions in our 246-year-old historical past.

There are collections of the histories of oppressed minorities who fought for equal footing amongst their fellow Individuals. And monuments to the titans who fought for equality and justice, a combat that continues to this very day.

Sprinkled all through there are bits of knowledge from these giants. Once we take a look at them at the moment, one would possibly assume that possibly they knew the place we had been headed.


FRANKLIN DELANO ROOSEVELT, FORMER U.S. PRESIDENT: They search to ascertain methods of presidency primarily based on the regimentation of all human beings by a handful of particular person rulers name this a brand new order. It isn’t new and it isn’t order.


MARGARET BRENNAN: We will collect power from trying again as we wrestle to go ahead.

Till subsequent week, for FACE THE NATION, I am Margaret Brennan. Joyful Fourth of July.


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