MBW’s Inspiring Ladies sequence profiles feminine executives who’ve risen through the ranks of the enterprise, highlighting their profession journey – from their skilled breakthrough to the senior tasks they now fulfil. Inspiring Ladies is supported by Ingrooves.
By the point we converse to Jacqueline Saturn at 8.30am in LA, she’s been up since 5am and has already walked her two canines, labored out, caught up on emails coming from the UK in a single day, cooked her daughter eggs for breakfast and brought a name from the Virgin Music Label & Artist Providers New York workplace.
For anybody who values sleep, her morning may sound hellish, however for Saturn, these early hours earlier than the potential chaos begins are treasured. “You must have that one factor you are able to do day by day for your self, no matter makes you are feeling good, that’s going to make it really feel okay,” she says.
“Then you’ll be able to deal with everybody else and you may take care of the stress or individuals yelling or no matter. By the point I begin my day, I’m like, ‘Okay, I’m prepared to leap into all of it.’”
Nowadays, Saturn has good cause to brace herself for an extended day forward. At first of final yr, she was named President of UMG’s Virgin Music Label & Artist Providers when it rebranded from Caroline and launched operations in numerous new territories.
Since then, the division has signed a worldwide partnership with Australia’s Mushroom Group, established ft on the bottom within the Western Balkans area, Australia and Brazil, and signed offers with the likes of Main Wave Music, Vary Media Companions and a number of regional labels.
In 2022 and past, there’s no indicators of slowing down. “We have now very massive plans for this yr,” Saturn says.
“There are at all times new developments, new those that we’re speaking to, releases popping out and artist and label companions elevating their hand in territories that make us excited. Virgin will solely proceed to develop and stay a dominating drive within the distribution world.”
“We have now very massive plans for this yr. Virgin will solely proceed to develop and stay a dominating drive within the distribution world.”
Tasks to look out for underneath the model embrace the brand new album from just lately signed Lauv (whose earlier deal was with AWAL) and fruits of latest partnerships with Nashville abilities Jillian Jacqueline, Lauren Weintraub and Tyler Dial.
There’s additionally new music set to come back from Texas band Surfaces, through a partnership with 10K Tasks, and rapper NF — a “world precedence” for Virgin in addition to Capitol Christian Music Group, says Saturn.
Saturn has spent nearly ten years at Common, throughout which era she’s led Harvest Data as co-GM and Caroline as President.
Previous to that, she spent 20 years at Sony, spanning senior roles at Epic Data whereas working with artists together with Pearl Jam, Oasis, Rage Towards The Machine, Sara Bareilles, Incubus, Korn, Audioslave and Fiona Apple.
Saturn caught the music bug whereas rising up in Nashville. As a baby, she’d get her repair by listening to an outdated clock radio in her bed room whereas filling journals with lyrics by her favorite artists on the time, together with Shaun Cassidy, Paul McCartney, The Eagles and The Beatles.
“Different individuals had been studying Nancy Drew thriller novels and I used to be listening to songs time and again and making an attempt to work out what they had been actually saying,” Saturn remembers.
“I nonetheless really feel the identical means — I get so excited to listen to songs by an artist I work with or that I’m obsessed with and I’m the one who goes to exhibits, fairly religiously.”
At highschool, Saturn fell in love with various music via R.E.M., The Bodines and The Treatment and by the point she went to varsity, she was lifeless set on working within the enterprise.
After graduating from Syracuse College, she moved to New York, took a job as a paralegal to tide her over and spent the remainder of her time pounding the pavements, looking for a route in.
Finally, a household buddy tipped her off a couple of receptionist job at Savage Data, she went to the interview and demanded they rent her.
Saturn remembers: “They had been interviewing so many individuals and mentioned, ‘We’re going to name you subsequent week’. I wasn’t even that courageous on the time however I used to be like, ‘No, it is a one-time provide, it’s a must to rent me. I’m the one for the job, I promise, I can’t anticipate every week.’”
The boldness paid off — after a fast deliberation within the assembly room, the “guys in fits” agreed. Savage ended up folding inside two years however because of a relationship with Michael Jackson’s supervisor on the time, the late Frank DiLeo, who labored within the label’s administration division, Saturn landed on her ft.
“He’d be like, ‘Hey hon, are you able to seize me a sandwich?’ or ‘Hey hon, do you thoughts mailing this?’ It was that sort of vibe however it was respectful,” she says. “[When the company folded] he was like, ‘This woman’s a employee and I’m going to assist her, I’m going to get her to the fitting place’.”
That proper place ended up being Epic, the place DiLeo had labored with Jackson, and Saturn’s profession was set.
Right here, we chat to her about ambitions at Virgin, classes discovered throughout her profession, the evolution of the distribution house and rather more in addition to.
What are your ambitions in your new position and for Virgin typically?
It’s such an thrilling time for us. We have now had proof of idea in being what we imagine is the perfect label providers firm on the planet and when you have got this imaginative and prescient of how the corporate can function globally and see these issues coming to fruition, there aren’t any boundaries.
“I need us to be generally known as artist pleasant and for artist growth. that’s so vital to what we do.”
Like most companies, we’re all for scaling and changing into even mightier and there’s a number of alternatives for us to try this. However I additionally at all times need us to have a very good status. I need us to be generally known as artist pleasant and for artist growth, as a result of that’s so vital to what we do. You at all times hear different individuals say, ‘We do artist growth’ however do you? As a result of we actually do. We care about all of the steps within the very starting and having the ability to inform these tales.
Right here’s an enormous query — what are an important classes you’ve discovered throughout your profession thus far?
If I may inform something to my youthful self, it might be, ‘Generally you’ll be able to sit on an opinion for a minute’. I simply had an expertise with somebody yesterday the place there was slightly little bit of a scenario they usually wished to blast this e-mail. I used to be like, ‘Don’t ship that, ship it to your self. You might want to take a minute, you could rely to 10, it’s too scorching.’
You be taught to not fly off the deal with as a result of typically, when you have got a distinction of opinion, it’s only a distinction of opinion. It’s not private. Individuals are so set in, ‘I’m proper’ or ‘That is proper’ however we’re all proper as a result of we now have an opinion on it. So taking a minute to breathe and realise that there are at all times two sides to a narrative and simply assume earlier than you say one thing — that’s one factor I actually really feel is vital and I’ve to do for myself additionally.
With artists, and I didn’t should be taught this as a result of I’ve labored with the perfect of the perfect, they know finest. I bought to be taught that early on as a result of I labored with phenomenal artists like Pearl Jam and Rage Towards the Machine and Korn — that they had this imaginative and prescient and it wasn’t like anybody else’s. They had been like, ‘That is the music we wish to put out first’ and it was like cool, it’s their artwork, we’re going to rock with this. You must belief them and they’re going to often steer you in the fitting path.
You’ve held many senior roles throughout your profession. What are the attributes that make a very good chief?
You must lead by instance. I take into consideration a lady like Polly Anthony, who was one of many first feminine executives and she or he was cool. She would exit with us to exhibits and take us to dinner and embrace us, however not at all times, she’d stroll down the corridor and you’ll be too scared to have a look at her typically. However for the issues that concerned the artists, she embraced us.
I’m at all times a kind of individuals who desires to be with everybody. I wish to go to the exhibits with everybody, I wish to get to know everybody and I need them to know they’re all vital as a result of they’re. Everybody on employees could make a distinction they usually’re allowed to have an opinion, I don’t need it to be like, ‘The upper ranges matter extra’ as a result of I don’t imagine that.
“Being a frontrunner, it’s a must to deal with a number of issues that aren’t at all times enjoyable. The success tales are nice however the laborious conversations are how you actually be taught.”
Additionally, when you have got that relationship with the workforce, it’s lots simpler to have the dialog that may be uncomfortable. Being a frontrunner, it’s a must to deal with a number of issues that aren’t at all times enjoyable and having the ability to do that’s what makes you a very good chief. The success tales are nice however the laborious conversations are how you actually be taught. I discover that I can do each as a result of I’ve already constructed these relationships with individuals and there’s a stage of respect on either side.
YOU PREVIOUSLY SAID distribution corporations haven’t traditionally been seen because the ‘A gamers’. How has that notion developed throughout your time at Caroline and now Virgin?
It’s utterly not like that anymore, individuals love the house that we’re in. It’s such a chance to work with extremely good, pushed individuals who have a imaginative and prescient. I do really feel like we get bombarded slightly bit with individuals who wish to be a part of what we’re doing and I’m so happy with that.
What influence have you ever seen the success of distribution corporations like Virgin having on the extra conventional label setups, if any?
The music enterprise is great as a result of there’s locations for everybody, no matter you might be in search of. You may have been like me, eager to be taught the phrases to each music, or you might be holding a mic within the mirror while you’re eight and saying, ‘I’m going to be on Capitol Data’.
We’re in an area the place the artists, the creatives, are constructing issues they usually personal it and wish to proceed to try this. We offer that service to them as a result of that’s their selection of how they wish to direct their careers. For us, it’s such an thrilling time as a result of there are such a lot of unimaginable labels and unbiased artists that we get to companion with.
There’s criticism that many artists who fall into the unbiased market class aren’t ‘really’ unbiased as a consequence of them having distribution offers with corporations which can be main owned, which has been talked about just lately after Sony’s buyout of AWAL. What do you make of that perspective?
I’m not likely all for that dialog as a result of the artists are unbiased, they’re doing what they wish to do, how they wish to do it, calling the photographs, having their imaginative and prescient and proudly owning their masters. There are completely different sorts of partnerships and firms they’re aligned with however once I take a look at it, it’s about them and what they’re doing.
“the artists are unbiased. they’re doing what they wish to do, how they wish to do it, calling the photographs, having their imaginative and prescient and proudly owning their masters.”
You’ve talked earlier than about how male-dominated the tradition was in music in your early profession and as you realize, there’s been a number of work completed to diversify the music enterprise, particularly on the manager facet in recent times. What are the boundaries that also stay in the case of reaching true equality?
It’s actually gotten so significantly better. Once I take a look at the distribution corporations, so a lot of them are run by girls. My buddy Colleen [Theis] at The Orchard is the CEO and my buddy Cat [Kreidich] is now working ADA. So there are three girls working distribution corporations and I don’t know if that’s ever occurred earlier than. I additionally take a look at Michelle Jubelirer, who was just lately named Chair and CEO of Capitol Music Group.
There’s thrilling issues taking place on the planet and I believe individuals are lastly having to assume in another way about what it takes to be an govt. Additionally, there’s so many extra ladies who wish to get into the music enterprise. Once I began, I used to be simply one of many few ladies and it was all guys. Now you see these unimaginable younger girls who wish to be within the enterprise — we now have so many ladies who work at Virgin.
For the feminine executives on the market, they’re not saying, ‘I will be an govt however I can’t have a household’ or ‘I will be this however I can’t be that’. I really feel prefer it’s now lastly far more regular for individuals to have the ability to do all the pieces and folks look as much as that. It was the blokes working the enterprise they usually had households however it didn’t have an effect on them as a result of they had been those in cost. Now you have got girls which have companions, youngsters, canines and cats and folks they should deal with and it’s okay.
it looks as if the pandemic has helped alongside a optimistic perspective to versatile working as a result of everybody’s been at dwelling and confirmed they are often simply as productive…
I believe a number of us had a impolite awakening throughout that point. For me, as a mother or father and an govt, I’m a mother or father to 2 sides — the those that work for me and my children. I positively had a glance within the mirror at a number of issues that I wasn’t doing nicely and issues that I regretted and made a dedication that I wasn’t going to do anymore as a result of they needed to be prioritised. Generally, individuals are like, ‘My household is my precedence’ however are you doing all of the issues that make them really feel like that? I discovered lots and it wasn’t enjoyable. And I do know I’m going to be significantly better now.
What adjustments have you ever made because of that studying?
The primary factor I at all times say, as a member of the family, is it’s a must to talk the schedule. It’s like, right here’s the calendar, who’s doing what, and there are occasions the place it’s a must to make decisions. I had it yesterday — there was [a work meeting] on my calendar and I needed to go to the physician with my daughter. I used to be like, ‘No, I’m going to this appointment’ however previously, there was no means I might have completed that. I might have gone to the lunch and I might have cancelled or discovered [the appointment]. There was at all times nervousness if I cancelled however you’ll be able to’t try this anymore.
What’s probably the most thrilling growth taking place within the music trade to you as we speak?
Day-after-day is thrilling within the music trade as a result of there are issues taking place on a regular basis, whether or not it’s knowledge analytics, what you’ll be able to see, what you’ll be able to be taught, or artists doing unimaginable issues. I do know lots of people wish to speak in regards to the metaverse and what’s happening there and I really like that so many artists are on the forefront of those alternatives and doing issues in another way for his or her followers.
There are cities getting their shine, whether or not it’s what’s happening in Nashville, Atlanta or Miami, and that’s simply the USA. I’m wanting ahead to lastly attending to Korea and going to see all the pieces that’s happening in Brazil and Spain. There are such a lot of nations that I can’t wait to go to — I’m so excited to get to journey once more.
I’m excited proper now as a result of individuals are again on the highway and I really feel like dwell exhibits have gotten so significantly better. I’ve seen so many artists who’ve employed unbelievable musicians for his or her bands. The enterprise is at all times evolving, it’s at all times altering, and that’s in all probability why I prefer to be in it as a result of it’s by no means the identical in any means.
Right here’s an enormous image query: what would you alter in regards to the music trade and why?
I don’t love the lists and awards. Generally it’s actually difficult that individuals really feel like they are often harm by the actual fact they work so laborious and didn’t make the record. However that has nothing to do with the job that you just do and the way good you might be at it.
“I don’t love the lists and awards. [they have] nothing to do with the job that you just do and the way good you might be at it.”
I keep in mind eager to be on the record and what it felt like once I didn’t get on it so I perceive these emotions however I additionally really feel like we have to eliminate that. The enterprise has modified. I like some publications and issues which can be making an attempt to do a greater job of recognising individuals, you’re seeing it increasingly more in several methods, whether or not it’s Ladies’s Historical past Month or Black Historical past Month. However I believe we now have to do a greater job of not making it in regards to the lists and the awards.
What recommendation would you provide to somebody beginning their profession in music as we speak?
We want actually passionate individuals. My assistant and the brand new coordinators on the firm are so cool. They love music, they go to each present, they’re consistently sending me hyperlinks to music or telling me the place they went and I really like that vitality. It’s so vital and they need to be happy with that. You’re allowed to be passionate and you need to be and that’s one of many issues that makes us excited to talk to individuals about probably bringing them into the corporate.
For lots of the those that we interview, they’re already doing unbelievable issues on their very own. Whether or not they’re doing a weblog, writing lists of music that they love and sending them to buddies or have a community of exhibits they go to or wish to go to in every week. That stuff is so unimaginable as a result of it is a enterprise that you just dwell and love and you actually wish to have individuals who love music.
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